1 00:00:12,970 --> 00:00:09,820 okay so my name is carlos moneys gun and 2 00:00:15,709 --> 00:00:12,980 the last time I ran this through it was 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:15,719 13 minutes but I cut out the 90 seconds 4 00:00:20,570 --> 00:00:17,130 where I just stare you guys down so I 5 00:00:22,970 --> 00:00:20,580 think we'll be fine okay so my topic is 6 00:00:24,710 --> 00:00:22,980 what universe of biology should be him 7 00:00:26,690 --> 00:00:24,720 you know you're probably wondering what 8 00:00:30,019 --> 00:00:26,700 universal biology is let alone what it 9 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:30,029 should be so there's a reason we don't 10 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:32,369 think about biology as universal and it 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:36,540 goes back to this guy who in 1859 wrote 12 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:39,210 this really great book in which he 13 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:42,600 argued among other things that there was 14 00:00:47,390 --> 00:00:45,510 common descent that all creatures on 15 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:47,400 this planet ultimately trace their 16 00:00:57,530 --> 00:00:50,160 ancestry back to some last Universal 17 00:01:00,110 --> 00:00:57,540 common ancestor Luke gun and it so in a 18 00:01:04,850 --> 00:01:00,120 sense we're all related we have a sample 19 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:04,860 size of one right you know before this 20 00:01:08,870 --> 00:01:06,270 it was reasonable to suppose that 21 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:08,880 biology was as universal as any other 22 00:01:12,890 --> 00:01:10,590 science like physics or chemistry 23 00:01:14,180 --> 00:01:12,900 because he had millions of species you 24 00:01:16,370 --> 00:01:14,190 could generalize over them you could 25 00:01:18,350 --> 00:01:16,380 figure out interesting patterns and make 26 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:18,360 interesting conclusions but once we 27 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:20,340 realize that this is the case where 28 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:21,510 should where in this kind of weird 29 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:26,820 precarious situation now very few other 30 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:29,280 Sciences if any are in this situation 31 00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:31,830 might even psychologies in the situation 32 00:01:37,750 --> 00:01:33,990 like in psychology could do comparative 33 00:01:39,830 --> 00:01:37,760 studies with chimpanzees for instance 34 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:39,840 the closest I could think of was 35 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:43,170 Egyptology which isn't really much of a 36 00:01:49,580 --> 00:01:46,350 science so this means that we're all 37 00:01:51,740 --> 00:01:49,590 alone and that everything we're 38 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:51,750 generalizing over everything we're 39 00:01:55,490 --> 00:01:53,310 trying to figure out about biology is 40 00:01:57,740 --> 00:01:55,500 the dumbest in this context of a single 41 00:02:01,700 --> 00:01:57,750 example nevertheless a lot of people 42 00:02:03,859 --> 00:02:01,710 have thought that they could general are 43 00:02:05,570 --> 00:02:03,869 universalize biology and come up with 44 00:02:08,359 --> 00:02:05,580 just the parts of biology that are 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:08,369 expected to apply everywhere everyone to 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:14,010 every evolutionary system so these are a 47 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:15,810 couple of people that have tried this 48 00:02:21,410 --> 00:02:18,510 the most recent group that tried that is 49 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:21,420 at least claim to try to do this is this 50 00:02:25,339 --> 00:02:23,430 nice little group of they call 51 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:25,349 themselves astrobiologists and I met a 52 00:02:31,339 --> 00:02:27,209 bunch of them in the bar yesterday a 53 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:31,349 great these so I'm just going to read 54 00:02:35,449 --> 00:02:33,870 this a little bit so we must move beyond 55 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:35,459 the circumstances of our own particular 56 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:37,590 origins in order to develop a broader 57 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:40,200 discipline Universal biology we need to 58 00:02:43,550 --> 00:02:42,090 exploit universal laws of physics and 59 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:43,560 chemistry to understand polymer 60 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:46,049 formation self-organization processes 61 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:48,120 energy utilization information transfer 62 00:02:55,610 --> 00:02:50,220 and Darwinian evolution so these are all 63 00:02:58,910 --> 00:02:55,620 my emphasis and I'll get a little bit 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:02:58,920 more into this so this is this was a 65 00:03:04,339 --> 00:03:01,530 promissory note I don't not very much 66 00:03:08,809 --> 00:03:04,349 has been done on this front since it was 67 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:08,819 proposed but before I get into this I'm 68 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:10,019 just messing with a camera I'm just 69 00:03:15,949 --> 00:03:11,489 making you happy to have to move it 70 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:15,959 around okay so before I get into this we 71 00:03:19,910 --> 00:03:17,190 need to start talking about what is 72 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:19,920 biology and a lot of people think that 73 00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:21,180 this means that you have to define life 74 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:24,660 but there's very good reasons to think 75 00:03:31,819 --> 00:03:27,930 that we don't that we will never succeed 76 00:03:34,369 --> 00:03:31,829 in defining life I personally think that 77 00:03:37,729 --> 00:03:34,379 there's this continuum between abiotic 78 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:37,739 and biotic factors and so even 79 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:41,430 attempting to define life is equivalent 80 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:42,510 to trying to say that there's a 81 00:03:46,970 --> 00:03:44,970 distinction between red and orange yeah 82 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:46,980 there is but where do you draw the line 83 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:49,609 there's no justified place to do it 84 00:03:55,210 --> 00:03:53,250 luckily it doesn't matter I think 85 00:03:57,650 --> 00:03:55,220 there's a more interesting way of 86 00:04:00,379 --> 00:03:57,660 carving nature edits joints to use the 87 00:04:04,399 --> 00:04:00,389 old phrase so the things that really 88 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:04,409 matter aren't life kind of captures it 89 00:04:12,379 --> 00:04:06,239 but I think the thing that we need to 90 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:12,389 focus on is evolution I think so the 91 00:04:16,580 --> 00:04:14,790 dope jansky Maxim is that nothing in 92 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:16,590 biology makes sense except in the light 93 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:18,959 of evolution and I think that 94 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:21,209 astrobiologists haven't taken full 95 00:04:29,089 --> 00:04:24,510 advantage of evolution I there's a lot 96 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:29,099 of power in evolutionary theory that is 97 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:31,470 very helpful so 98 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:35,040 going back to what we saw the smiths 99 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:39,660 thing of this camera going back to the 100 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:43,170 definition that the roadmap proposes it 101 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:44,750 said that we need to exploit these 102 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:47,550 universal laws of physics and chemistry 103 00:04:54,020 --> 00:04:49,500 we take physics and chemistry to be 104 00:04:55,910 --> 00:04:54,030 universal but there it's interesting 105 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:55,920 that much of what biology is is 106 00:05:01,910 --> 00:04:59,250 functional it's defined by what it does 107 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:01,920 not what it is so there's lots of ways 108 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:06,510 to realize certain concepts in biology 109 00:05:11,870 --> 00:05:08,400 and I'll give an example of examples 110 00:05:15,170 --> 00:05:11,880 right now so even though life is based 111 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:15,180 on chemistry and physics all the really 112 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:18,240 interesting stuff occurs under a variety 113 00:05:25,850 --> 00:05:23,730 of different configurations right so now 114 00:05:30,020 --> 00:05:25,860 from here it doesn't necessarily follow 115 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:30,030 that there's no necessary universal laws 116 00:05:33,740 --> 00:05:31,550 of biology it's just that they're 117 00:05:36,380 --> 00:05:33,750 they're going to be different and I 118 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:36,390 prefer to think of this in terms of 119 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:39,000 recurrent causal mechanisms took me like 120 00:05:44,590 --> 00:05:41,910 five but 20 minutes to make these this 121 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:44,600 morning I couldn't find them online so 122 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:47,520 gears so those of you they can't help 123 00:05:53,870 --> 00:05:51,450 okay uh-huh so recurrent causal 124 00:05:56,330 --> 00:05:53,880 mechanisms I think is a better way of 125 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:56,340 approaching this instead of trying to 126 00:06:03,310 --> 00:05:58,650 figure out how to scale up from laws of 127 00:06:05,870 --> 00:06:03,320 physics and this I should probably 128 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:05,880 justify why i said that biology is at 129 00:06:12,260 --> 00:06:10,710 least at least partially functional and 130 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:12,270 a lot of things in biology or defined 131 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:14,690 functionally so take for example the 132 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:17,490 concept of wings it's not just a cheers 133 00:06:23,659 --> 00:06:19,919 spin-off I don't know why you leave 134 00:06:27,380 --> 00:06:23,669 these jokes in I need it ah I have a 135 00:06:31,190 --> 00:06:27,390 problem ok so there's butterfly wings or 136 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:31,200 bird wings there's a dragonfly wings and 137 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:35,160 then there's the bat wings all of these 138 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:40,110 evolved separately parallel evolution to 139 00:06:44,810 --> 00:06:43,440 solve the same design problem to how to 140 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:44,820 fly now 141 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:47,710 there's also multicellularity for 142 00:06:56,990 --> 00:06:50,590 example has evolved 25 times in the 143 00:07:00,060 --> 00:06:57,000 history of life eyes this thing here 144 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:00,070 those have evolved at least 40 times and 145 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:02,500 probably as much as 65 times in the 146 00:07:10,350 --> 00:07:05,770 history of life so there's something 147 00:07:12,810 --> 00:07:10,360 there there's something about the 148 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:12,820 function that role that things play that 149 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:15,270 is how we should start approaching 150 00:07:23,730 --> 00:07:20,710 universality in biology so this is what 151 00:07:25,460 --> 00:07:23,740 I propose we should think of universal 152 00:07:28,650 --> 00:07:25,470 biology as a set of all interesting 153 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:28,660 evolutionary models which make no 154 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:30,070 reference to any considered facts on 155 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:31,419 earth and so we're expected to obtain 156 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:33,520 elsewhere in the universe this talk is 157 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:35,410 based on two papers by the way email me 158 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:37,960 if you want them one of them is more of 159 00:07:43,370 --> 00:07:39,610 a literature review one develops us a 160 00:07:49,950 --> 00:07:43,380 little bit more and justifies my use of 161 00:07:53,159 --> 00:07:49,960 all of those words ok so for structural 162 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:53,169 things that are based on it that are in 163 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:55,090 biology and based on physics and 164 00:08:00,210 --> 00:07:57,370 chemistry maybe maybe just approaching 165 00:08:03,180 --> 00:08:00,220 it the way now so the roadmap approaches 166 00:08:04,969 --> 00:08:03,190 it is fine but for other things we 167 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:04,979 should probably focus on these Universal 168 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:07,840 these design problems that are expected 169 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:09,310 to obtain everywhere in the universe 170 00:08:15,060 --> 00:08:12,460 like resistance to radiation perhaps a 171 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:15,070 fidelity of information transfer might 172 00:08:22,170 --> 00:08:19,090 be another thing and this is not the 173 00:08:24,270 --> 00:08:22,180 kind of thing that can be done by one 174 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:24,280 person which probably the reason why 175 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:26,560 hasn't been done by one person even 176 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:28,930 though a lot of people claim to try them 177 00:08:34,579 --> 00:08:31,720 this is a discipline wide effort which 178 00:08:38,459 --> 00:08:34,589 is why I come here to you today I'm okay 179 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:38,469 so what it should be we should seek out 180 00:08:42,899 --> 00:08:40,510 these broadest possible candidate 181 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:42,909 Universal generalizations that are 182 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:47,470 consistent with research categorized 183 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:51,010 them justify them seek maybe seek some 184 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:53,620 out of patterns and then test against 185 00:08:57,850 --> 00:08:56,290 nature if possible and some of this will 186 00:09:01,840 --> 00:08:57,860 turn out to be possible 187 00:09:03,490 --> 00:09:01,850 I expect I actually was going to take a 188 00:09:06,130 --> 00:09:03,500 screenshot of the database that I've 189 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:06,140 been working on but it turns out tables 190 00:09:10,870 --> 00:09:08,480 are really boring so here's a different 191 00:09:15,490 --> 00:09:10,880 kind of table that's slightly less 192 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:15,500 boring so we've seen this has been set a 193 00:09:18,370 --> 00:09:16,790 couple of times these are all things 194 00:09:25,780 --> 00:09:18,380 that I've picked up from the literature 195 00:09:34,410 --> 00:09:25,790 of various places huh okay that's 196 00:09:45,690 --> 00:09:34,420 troubling okay so so essentially a lot 197 00:09:48,910 --> 00:09:45,700 anyway the point is that'll do it okay 198 00:09:50,370 --> 00:09:48,920 the point is that they're all of we can 199 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:50,380 investigate these people have 200 00:09:59,380 --> 00:09:56,630 highlighted these okay people have taken 201 00:10:01,540 --> 00:09:59,390 some time to two point these out 202 00:10:03,610 --> 00:10:01,550 whenever they find them this one's the 203 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:03,620 Benner's that said that in a couple of 204 00:10:08,829 --> 00:10:07,610 interviews I don't necessarily stand by 205 00:10:11,829 --> 00:10:08,839 any of these I just think that a lot of 206 00:10:18,009 --> 00:10:11,839 people should start thinking in these 207 00:10:22,060 --> 00:10:18,019 terms okay now this might go contrary to 208 00:10:24,610 --> 00:10:22,070 what a lot of how we think normally of 209 00:10:29,079 --> 00:10:24,620 science a lot of people don't want to 210 00:10:34,269 --> 00:10:29,089 make these wide claims about things it's 211 00:10:36,699 --> 00:10:34,279 typically viewed as is risky but if 212 00:10:39,340 --> 00:10:36,709 science is about testability then the 213 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:39,350 broader the claim and the stronger you 214 00:10:43,630 --> 00:10:41,360 test it the better science you're doing 215 00:10:45,610 --> 00:10:43,640 I'm not entirely sure that's what 216 00:10:49,019 --> 00:10:45,620 science is about but that's it at least 217 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:49,029 what we have to believe in doing science 218 00:10:56,650 --> 00:10:53,630 so I'm see for example this observation 219 00:11:01,060 --> 00:10:56,660 of an eclipse in 1919 that tested this 220 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:01,070 theory by this guy I try to choose the 221 00:11:08,350 --> 00:11:05,870 pictures of these of Einstein and Darwin 222 00:11:11,019 --> 00:11:08,360 that were more appropriate to when they 223 00:11:11,740 --> 00:11:11,029 actually developed these views rather 224 00:11:14,290 --> 00:11:11,750 than the picture 225 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:14,300 then with huge beards and crazy hair 226 00:11:23,410 --> 00:11:18,650 that we are so familiar with so he 227 00:11:25,210 --> 00:11:23,420 proposes that gravity actually that 228 00:11:28,330 --> 00:11:25,220 object actually bend the space around 229 00:11:30,970 --> 00:11:28,340 them and an interesting test of this is 230 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:30,980 during a solar eclipse stars should be 231 00:11:37,420 --> 00:11:33,110 slightly different from where we see the 232 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:37,430 normally and it takes a dozen years but 233 00:11:44,530 --> 00:11:40,460 eventually this is observed this is a 234 00:11:50,650 --> 00:11:44,540 wild claim and when it's not refuted 235 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:50,660 it's corroborated and so I'm proposing 236 00:11:57,460 --> 00:11:53,180 doing something similar to like that for 237 00:11:59,830 --> 00:11:57,470 biology as his potential payoff so 238 00:12:02,350 --> 00:11:59,840 Universal claim is falsified by a single 239 00:12:06,010 --> 00:12:02,360 counter example so any claim and 240 00:12:08,380 --> 00:12:06,020 universal biology should be falsified by 241 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:08,390 a single if you see if you find one 242 00:12:16,270 --> 00:12:10,370 group set of organisms that prefers 243 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:16,280 higher isotope higher isotopes for no 244 00:12:21,310 --> 00:12:19,040 reason then that seems to go against the 245 00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:21,320 claim at all life prefers higher 246 00:12:30,310 --> 00:12:25,120 isotopes largely sorry lighter isotopes 247 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:30,320 okay so by seeking these mechanisms we 248 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:35,510 can better get at this universality this 249 00:12:40,390 --> 00:12:38,660 is doable to a limited extent it'd be 250 00:12:44,950 --> 00:12:40,400 great if we had other examples of life 251 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:44,960 but since we don't we should start 252 00:12:50,770 --> 00:12:47,710 thinking about what that would look like 253 00:12:52,930 --> 00:12:50,780 maybe make these claims that would 254 00:12:54,610 --> 00:12:52,940 actually be tested if we encountered 255 00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:54,620 life rather than just trying to explore 256 00:13:01,210 --> 00:12:57,310 the evidence and saying what it shows us 257 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:01,220 so in sum we had a systematically 258 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:03,920 categorize this biology in a way that 259 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:04,970 highlights the parts I'm like the 260 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:07,760 universal should be use this approach 261 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:11,410 should be useful in that pursuit and